In around two months, when Maldives will elect a new parliament, former Maldives president Mohamed Nasheed has a high chance of returning to power – not as the head of state, but as the leader of the political party with the majority in the house.
This would cap the Maldivian Democratic Party’s return to power after Nasheed ‘resigned’ in 2012 following a mutiny by the security forces – a possibility that even most optimists would not have predicted six months ago.
Now, with his childhood friend Ibrahim Solih as president, Nasheed’s role is being carefully calibrated. He has been campaigning for the parliamentary elections scheduled for April 7, but also visited New Delhi last week on the invitation of the ministry of external affairs.
In an interview with The Wire, he spoke about India’s role in the elections, Indian diplomacy and his job profile after the parliamentary polls.
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Nasheed also maintained that China’s influence in Maldives will be curtailed and asserted that Chinese projects will be reviewed. Maldives faces an external debt crisis, with over 75% of its external debt of $1.8 billion owed to China.
Here are excerpts from the interview, which have been edited for clarity.
When you were in Delhi last time, the circumstances were completely different. You were invited by a think-tank and there was no official meeting with the Indian government. This time, you have been invited by the ICCR and have scheduled meetings with the Indian prime minister and the external affairs minister. How do you reflect on this change?
At that time, it was understandable that they couldn’t publicly make a show of meeting us, especially given the situation at home. And of course, what we are seeing right now is actually their true feelings towards democracy in Maldives and towards us. So, this is very refreshing and encouraging.
But when you were here the last time, you had a bit of a complaint that India was not being active and was not advocating democratic values.
I did say this. In hindsight, maybe, what we were looking for was support for a strategy that we had drawn up. But India had its own strategy, and in hindsight, they were very clever. Right now, what we understand is that both sides, India and us, were looking at the same outcome. Indian diplomats were extremely clever and they have actually delivered.
How did India help you?
By raising concerns. We also felt that India’s ability to reach out to other countries and to bring in other actors into the play helped in ensuring that Maldives has reasonably fair elections. Much of the international pressure worked because of India.
India did remain quiet compared to Canada, Australia and the UK. There were far less public statements. Admittedly, India was more vocal on the February 1 Supreme Court judgment.
There were a few statements… Of course, Indian diplomacy is not the same. It is not implemented in the same manner as some other countries might do. Again, I must say in hindsight, that this is fairly effective.
Maldives President Ibrahim Mohamed Solih and India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Credit: Reuters
One of the complaints often heard in the neighbourhood is that Indian diplomacy doesn’t always make it explicitly clear what it wants or doesn’t like. Has that been an issue in India’s relations with Maldives?
Countries such as ours, which are not so competent in reading diplomatic language and also do not have the capacity and means to observe and analyse things in the manner that India or some other country might do… Don’t quite know what is required. So, I think that we must do better in reading the tea leaves or India should be clearer.
Have you seen any change in the conduct of Indian diplomacy?
India is, in many ways, rapidly changing, especially in the manner that it is engaging with the international community. We are seeing boldness and frankness as well. It differs from political outlook. The Congress is more subtle but the BJP is very direct. The institutions remain as the basis.
The issue is not necessarily who forms the government. I think that diplomats are trained in a certain manner. So, your question is whether Indian diplomacy has changed? I think it becomes different when necessary. It has not yet seen a strong need to be so bold.
But, sometimes, it does not do any good (to be subtle). My conversations with a number of other regional leaders reveal that they too find similar difficulties (about understanding India’s demands).
Since you mention Indian political parties and their different approaches, do you think that there will be any change in foreign policy if there is a change of government in India?
Maldives policy (for India) is strategic. I can’t see how that can change. It should not change.
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Sure, but in recent years, Maldives’ importance to India has also increased due to the rising profile of China. Do you think a coalition government, with parties of different ideologies, would have a different political approach that could impact ties between India and Maldives?
I think that the BJP will come back to power.
Why are you so confident?
Because they have delivered a lot. They have delivered on Maldives. You should vote for them now (laughs).
That is a strong endorsement.
But they have delivered on Maldives. As a Maldivian, my interest is with Maldives. Nobody wanted to topple (Abdulla) Yameen. We wanted to have a free and fair election. So, that was facilitated and then the people spoke.
In 2013, the Indian government’s pressure also facilitated your candidacy for the presidential elections.
Yes. The difference between 2013 and 2018 is that we won in 2018 and we lost in 2013. But, yes, there won’t be much of a difference, whoever comes to power.
Former Maldives President Abdulla Yameen. Credit: Fred Dufour/Pool via Reuters
I understand that you conversed on the Chinese debt trap with your Indian interlocutors. Can you throw some light on it?
Basically, we are suggesting that we are heavily in debt to a single country. Therefore, that debt is used as a leverage, as a disciplining agent. That, to my mind, would not be in our interest or in India’s interest.
What should India do?
Maldives and many other countries must impress upon China that this is wrong. Do not do this. We all want investments, but make it more transparent and ensure that there is democratic oversight. We are asking China that there should be a tender process every time they give something. These loans should not be for unsolicited projects. Let democratic oversight remain so that these contracts can be scrutinised.
You have spoken earlier about reviewing Chinese loan terms. Is that finally going to happen?
Yes, it will happen. That’s what we have been saying. And the government is on it. The finance minister, foreign minister and the president have all said it. So, they are on it.
Will China get any new projects?
I think we should sort out the existing ones. Also, we can’t be giving out sovereign guarantees anymore. We just can’t take any more debt.
On the subject of the forthcoming parliamentary elections, why has the MDP decided to contest all the seats, even though the party is part of a coalition?
We run an organised structural party and we have branches on every island. Of course, we are not going to win 87 seats, but if we don’t field a candidate, it means that party activity on that island dies. Our party, rank and file and activists will not necessarily vote for another party just because there was no candidate from us. We are not a party which is strong only on one island. We have a core vote on every island.
Why won’t MDP supporters vote for another party in the coalition?
It is ideology. Today, the MMPRC list is coming out [editor’s note: this interview was recorded on February 14] with the names of all the people who have benefited from corruption. There are no MDP members or MPs on the list. But all the others are. So how do we go and defend them? Also, in many, many instances, we do not see eye-to-eye. For example, on income tax or judicial reforms.
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There is also difference of opinion on changing to a parliamentary form of government.
The reforms of the constitution on judiciary and the form of government must come from the president. I wouldn’t want to advocate in that regard.
How do you characterise your working relationship with the president? How will it change if you are elected to parliament?
The president will find it immensely relieving if I am in parliament… Otherwise, he was looking after parliament for me. All throughout, he was doing it for me. I need to do it for him now.
What would managing parliament mean exactly?
My job would be to manage legislation and ensure that nobody goes against the president. If I am not there (in parliament), it’s not easy to do it. Of course, we trust all our MPs and so on. But, if I am in there, it would become a different story.
In the past, we tried to deliver our pledges without proper legislative frameworks. That made life very difficult for us. Actually, it is a learning curve for us.
When we first brought in our social protection programme, we just did it without any legislation because it was passed in the budget. The constitution allows us to do that. But then, it became so difficult. Different ministries were not able to coordinate their actions. There were court cases. We were getting bogged down. Now we understand that a legislative agenda to deliver the pledges and empower the government is absolutely necessary.
How important is changing the form of government for you?
The MDP has always advocated for a parliamentary system. Even while I was president, we were doing that.
But there are differences of opinion even within the party.
There are. There are differences within the party.
Are you and the president on the same page on this?
I shouldn’t speak on his behalf, but we have aligned our political thinking all through our lives and have not seen any differences or disagreements.
My point here is that I will not move it (the constitutional amendment). If he wants to, he must. So, he would also be a good judge of how the government is going, what kind of challenges we will have, what the people will be thinking…
The MDP is the frontrunner in the parliamentary elections. But, would a ‘super majority’ for one party be good for Maldivian democracy?
Yes, it will be the best thing for the country. We are a responsible party. We have internal democracy.
I can’t see what wrong it can bring. I think there is a need for a majority in parliament for a single party. I mean, for God’s sake, which country has been able to run without that?