The Maharashtra Vikas Aghadi government has completed a year in office. Uddhav Thackeray was sworn in as chief minister on November 28 last year in what was seen as a new experiment in politics in the state. The BJP found itself out in the cold with the unexpected coming together of the Sena, the NCP and the Congress.
The Wire spoke to Shiv Sena leader Sanjay Raut who has emerged as a key figure in the coalition.
Raut talks about how regional parties have halted the BJP in many states and says ‘Operation Kamal’ will not succeed in Maharashtra as the three allies are together like the vajramuth, a mighty fist which cannot be opened.
This interview was conducted just before November 28, the date of the first anniversary, and excerpts are below.
In the light of the first year of the Maharashtra Vikas Aghadi government, how do you see the next four years.
I do agree that the first year of any government is always important. But the year has been a challenging one for the entire nation due to a series of developments including the COVID-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past eight months.
Several problems and issues remained far from resolved as the entire focus of the state government was on fighting the deadly pandemic on which most of the budget was spent. So this year cannot be considered a normal year in which one could do things.
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Now each and every moment from the second year onwards will be devoted for the welfare of people and the state.
Even though I am not part of the government, I see that steps are being initiated to get major investment in the state, including foreign investment. You will see results in the next three months – about 12 lakhs or more jobs will be generated.
Health workers wearing protective gears record details of the residents during a check-up campaign for COVID-19 in Mumbai on July 22, 2020. Photo:Reuters/Hemanshi Kamani
How has the Centre’s cooperation been in the last one year?
The chief minister and ministers say that there was not much co-operation from the Centre, which is a guardian of the states. Much of the revenue from Mumbai and Maharashtra goes to the Centre on which the country runs. The biggest share in the Central corpus is from Mumbai and Maharashtra, but how much we get in return is a question.
Take the question of GST arrears. The GST machinery is totally failing. How to get things moving is a big question in such a situation. The Centre cannot wash its hands in this manner. You just cannot leave states to their fate.
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What are your expectations from the Centre?
The states will have to be helped out. It has to help them in these moments of crisis. The Centre should take loans. No one will give a loan to the states as the Centre’s creditworthiness is more.
How will Maharashtra become number 1 when Gujarat claims it is ranked the highest?
Only when all states progress, the country will bag the number 1 slot. States like Uttar Pradesh and Bihar are categorised as backward. Every state has the right to be number 1. But since it is not happening, states like Maharashtra have to bear the burden of the entire country.
So migrant labour is there in cities like Mumbai, Calcutta, Bangalore. So all states needed to be helped by the Centre as favouring only one state does not help. Gujarat might be the Prime Minister’s home state, but other states belong to him too. For some time, there have been attempts to move certain industrial units as also some prominent (government) offices from Mumbai to Gujarat. This sort of thing will not make Gujarat the number 1 state.
What is the message of the electoral verdict in Bihar for non-BJP parties? Especially as the opposition combine led by the RJD virtually lost by a whisker? Who is the weak link in the anti-BJP formation?
The message of Bihar is that a young leader like Tejashwi Yadav can give a run for the money to those high and mighty running the Centre if one decides to take them on.
The win of the its allies win in is not a big thing. One side had all the might, the money and the muscle. If what Tejashwi Yadav says is true then the lustre of your victory is lost. Tejashwi is alleging a fraud towards the end of the poll, done to deny him victory. If someone has to be complimented it is Tejashwi.
File image of Rahul Gandhi with Tejashwi Yadav. Photo: PTI
But which is the ‘kamjor kadi’ in Bihar and overall?
Overall, I do not see at present a leader who could unite and lead the opposition in the country. I do not see a leader acceptable to all like what we saw in the case of Jayaprakash Narayan a few decades back. At another point, V.P. Singh was the leader.
After Rajiv Gandhi and Indira Gandhi lost the elections, they were leaders of the opposition.
Today, I see leaders of regional parties in various states, but at the national level, I do not see anyone providing leadership by taking everyone along. The moment that leadership emerges, it would provide a stiff challenge to those leading the Centre. I do not say that the opposition should always come to power, but it needs to stand up and be counted. When the government goes wrong, the opposition must be able to state its position forcefully.
We have seen what happened politically in Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh and the failed attempt in Rajasthan. Now after Bihar, do you see an ‘Operation Kamal’ taking place in Maharashtra? Who do you think would be the weakest link in such a situation?
There is no weak link in Maharashtra. The unity of all the three parties in the coalition is vajrmuth.
‘Operation Kamal’ succeeds when there is someone ready to get sold and there are buyers in the auction. In Maharashtra, Shiv Sena, NCP and Congress have come together under a Common Minimum Programme and these three parties will run the government for four years more. Remember that ‘Operation Kamal’ failed in Rajasthan. I do not think that Operation Kamal was successful in Madhya Pradesh. This is because Jyotiraditya Scindia wanted himself to part ways with the Congress. He was uneasy for a long time. The same thing happened to Sachin Pilot in Rajasthan.
File photo of Rajasthan chief minister Ashok Gehlot, Sachin Pilot and Avinash Pande. Photo: PTI
Catching the dissidents and bringing them on to the ruling side was practiced by Congress in its heydays. Those who wield power, have control over the government machinery and the investigative agencies succeed in it. Nothing more, nothing less.
So the main actors in these operations are not political parties but CBI, ED and other central agencies. They should be given the credit.
Now there are plans to create a parallel Bollywood in Uttar Pradesh by the Adityanath government.
It is a good development if they are setting up a project for the development of the film industry. But why should it be a ‘parallel’ Bollywood? They had made such an attempt sometime back in Noida. I don’t know what happened.
If Yogi government will be doing something that would bring the glitter back on the film industry and provide employment to people, we will welcome it. There are film industries in the south, West Bengal etc. If any state is starting such a venture, there is no reason for Mumbai and Maharashtra to feel bad.
But one thing must be understood: Mumbai is Mumbai. Mumbai and Maharashtra is the birthplace of the Indian film industry from where pioneers like Dadasaheb Phalke started their journey. Maharashtra has made much contribution for the film industry and that is why it settled in Mumbai.
Mumbai is the economic capital of the country. It is said that business leaders are more comfortable with the BJP and especially with the Gujarat model.
I don’t see any model of any state. We talk about national models. All industries and industry leaders have grown from Mumbai and Maharashtra. They have their industries still in Maharashtra. If they have opened their branches in other states, we look at it from the angle of national development.
So there is no Gujarat model?
What model? Industrialists go where there are more facilities and concessions for the industry. Ample land and water availability, as also power, attracts them. They have gone to Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh too and they are coming to Maharashtra too.
I consider Gujarat and Maharashtra as twin states which are dependent on each other.
Some people try to bring disaffection between them which is totally wrong. These two states have always cherished good relations and it will always be so.
Then what about moving the prestigious International Financial Services Centre from Mumbai to Gujarat?
There has been a controversy over that. Really, the then BJP government in Maharashtra should have opposed the proposal. You can set up such a separate centre in Gujarat. But to shift such a centre from Maharashtra to any other state is injustice to Maharashtra. Even if you move an institution away from Mumbai, the importance of Mumbai in the economic sphere is going to remain due to its geographical location.
A bird’s eye view of Mumbai. Photo: PTI
Now BJP is talking of ‘flying the saffron’ on Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC) in spite of the fact that Shiv Sena has been controlling it for the past over three decades.
I will have to understand what is meant by ‘flying the saffron’ on the BMC.
Is their saffron different from our saffron? Then why are they not saying that they have unfurled the saffron in Bihar, because Nitish Kumar is allergic to saffron? Why do they talk about Mumbai?
Saffron is related to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, with war and bravery. Shiv Sena by its bravery has ensured that the saffron flies in Mumbai for the past half century. It means the saffron flag of Chhatrapati Shivaji would always be aflutter and if anyone attempts to touch the saffron then history knows what happens to them.